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Regressive Behavior From Toddlers to Teens: What’s Normal

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Regressive Behavior appears at all stages of development at many different ages. Learn why child regression happens and how to respond to it as a parent and why you might be seeing it more commonly now.

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0:00 Intro

You’ve finally gotten your little one to stop asking you to wipe his bum. Or you’ve finally gotten your teenager to be able to handle things without huge emotional disruptions. And now, the behaviors are back. Parents, that’s called regression. It’s a normal part of development. It’s normal under the most usual of circumstances. And it’s certainly normal during this time of pandemic parenting.

1:28 WHY WE’RE SEEING SO MUCH CHILD REGRESSION NOW
3:49 REGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR SHOWS UP AT TIMES OF STRESS AND CHANGE

Lynn references the book Touchpoints-Three to Six: Your Child’s Behavioral and Emotional Development by T. Berry Brazelton and Joshua Sparrow

7:13 REGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR IS LIKE COMFORT FOOD

Robin references Susie Tallman‘s “I’ve Been Working on the Railroad”

10:15 Listener Question

Lynn answers a listener question about a 7-year-old boy who is now hitting and talking back, behavior that has happened since staying at home.

12:30 Hypo and Hyper arousal and homeostasis in children’s behavior
16:37 Why Everyone Feels Out Of Gas
22:00 Second listener Question

Speech regression and stuttering in a 3-year-old boy. Mom wonders if this new behavior is related to being stuck at home.

25:45 Regression in Teens and Tweens

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Regression is normal in toddlers, children, and teens

Episode Transcript

Lynn Lyons  0:00 

Intro

You’ve finally gotten your little one to stop asking you to wipe his bum. Or you’ve finally gotten your teenager to be able to handle things without huge emotional disruptions. And now, the behaviors are back. Parents, that’s called regression. It’s a normal part of development. It’s normal under the most usual of circumstances. And it’s certainly normal during this time of pandemic parenting. Today, we’re answering questions from listeners who post on the Facebook page for our podcast, and we address the regression some listeners are seeing in their family. Regression from toddlers to teenagers— that’s what we’re talking about.

Hi, Robin.

Robin Hutson  0:49 

Hi, Lynn.

Lynn Lyons  0:50 

How are you?

Robin Hutson  0:51 

Good, good. How are you today?

Lynn Lyons  0:53 

Good. It feels sunny, and it’s warm outside, and it’s a nice day.

Robin Hutson  0:58 

I know. I was thinking as New England starts to experience sunnier spring days, everything is just feeling a little easier.

Lynn Lyons  1:06 

I know. I’m looking out my window, and I can see the green buds on the trees. Which— for people who are listening to this more in more Southern climes— it really is true; like, we don’t get the leaves on the trees until May. So, April can really be a little bit of a bumpy month for us. So, it’s nice when it starts to spring up over here.

Robin Hutson  1:26 

The mud season.

Lynn Lyons  1:28 

The mud season. Yeah.

Regression is normal kids catch up

Why we’re seeing so much child regression now

So, we are going to talk today about regression, which if you’re wondering, what do we mean by regression? That just means when kids slip back into patterns or behaviors, things that they were doing when they were younger, and now suddenly they reappear. And it is one of those things that can get a parent’s attention.

And sometimes, actually, parents feel a little bit like a failure or like  “What’s happening?” or “Why is this going on?” And sometimes parents react to it as a sign of something like, “Oh my gosh, did they experience some trauma?”  or “What’s happening emotionally that they’re going back in time?”

Why do children regress?

And so, I want to say, first off, that regression is a normal process, because development of kids as they’re moving forward through developmental phases, is not a straight, linear line. There’s a lot of two steps forward and one step back; there’s a lot of being able to master a skill in one context or in one place, and then have it not been mastered in another.

So, an example of that might be that when your child goes to visit your parents. So, when they’re at grandma’s and grandpa’s house, they seem to be able to handle a lot of things that they’re not handling at home. And then we begin to question why are they doing it for those people and they’re not doing it at home? All of that inconsistency and all of that bumping around into different places is really a normal part of child development.

If we’re talking about it in relation to this period of time that we’re in— this stressful COVID time— I am hearing a lot from parents. And I’m hearing it from parents of younger kids. And I’m also hearing it from parents of tweeners and from parents of teenagers, that they feel like their child is sort of slipping backwards and regressing and doing things that they weren’t doing for a long time.

Robin Hutson  2:19 

Do you think that means if a stressful environment or stressful experience— like right now when there’s a lot of change that’s been forced upon us— that regression is coming from a different place than typical developmental stages then, right?

Regressive behavior shows up at times of stress and change

Lynn Lyons  3:49 

Yes, well, and so regression can happen. It’s a typical developmental stage. And it does happen in times of change or stress. I’ll give you an example. My older son used to suck on his middle finger and his ring finger. So, he put them together. You can imagine. You can’t see me, but he put them together, and he’d suck on these two fingers. He just sort of walked around with his fingers in his mouth. And then by the time he started kindergarten, I don’t remember seeing it very much.

Well, he was at this wonderful Montessori School up until kindergarten. And then he changed schools to go to another incredible, little school that we called the nirvana fairy school. It was just so wonderful, but nonetheless, a big change and a big step. And I remember so clearly, when we drove up to pick him up after his first day of first grade, he was standing out waiting for me holding his little lunchbox, and his two fingers were back in his mouth. And I hadn’t seen that in a long time. So, it happens. That was a stressful day for him.

And so, it is normal when kids are going through change or shift, or they’re gone starting a new school. So of course, during this time when we talk about change and shift and uncertainty, we’re going to see a lot more of it. If you’re interested, any of you listening, is a great book about this.

There’s a book that T. Berry Brazelton, who is that wonderful pediatrician. But he wrote a book with another guy (Joshua Sparrow). And of course, I can’t remember the other guy’s name, which as a co-author is probably going to annoy him, but we’ll put up the details about it.

But the book is about touch points. And basically what Dr. Brazelton says with his wonderful co-author who I can’t remember, (Joshua Sparrow) says that you’ll see a child moving towards some big leap that happens. So they’re going to gain language, or they’re going to start sleeping through the night. Or for older kids, they’re going to start being able to stay home alone for a little bit of time, or they’re moving into middle school. Or all these things that happen— and right before that happens— they will regress in a way that will drive you crazy.

So, you’ll be thinking, “Oh my god, I can’t believe that she is crying all the time. I thought we were past this,” or “I can’t believe that she is so emotionally distraught about this small thing,” or “I can’t believe that he started wetting the bed a little bit. We thought we had him potty trained,” or “I can’t believe…” And then all of a sudden, they’ll zoom into another developmental phase. So, all of that is normal.

Right now, we are in this limbo place. And so much has changed in terms of schooling and parents being home and not being home and not being able to see the people that you love as much. A lot of kids are really struggling that they’re not able to see their grandparents or their nursery schoolteacher or their best friend. So, all of that means that regression is probably going to be right there in front of our eyes.

And my advice to you as you’re listening to this is there is no need to panic about that. There is no need to think that something horrible is wrong with your kid. This is a normal reaction in an abnormal situation.

Robin Hutson  7:11 

It’s a comfort mechanism, right?

Comfort: Regressive Behavior Can Be Like Mac ‘N Cheese

Lynn Lyons  7:13 

Yeah, no, absolutely. So, it’s sort of like… it’s sort of like the equivalent of comfort food. It’s sort of like the equivalent of —oh, you know, you’re feeling so distressed, and you just want macaroni and cheese.

If you’re a little kid, you’re feeling so distressed. So, you just want those two fingers back or you want your stuffed animal, or you want your lovey back that you gave up. Or sometimes kids will start using a pacifier again, or you know, then the list goes on. Even things that I think that these aren’t really bad things, right? So, somebody pulls out a game that they haven’t played.

So, I just it’s funny, you should say this. There was a woman that I know. She is a such a funny person and such a wonderful mom. And she just posted a picture on Facebook of her two— I think she said her “two grown up boys,” (and I happen to know that they’re well into their teens) sitting at a table playing Legos. And that is just such a typical comfort. That’s their comfort toy.

Robin Hutson  8:12 

It’s so funny. So, I knew we were going to be talking about regression today, but completely coincidentally, we just… I was preparing our family’s lunch, and we had some nice sunshine, and I went to our Spotify account. And there was one album that defined parenting a one, two, and three-year-old in our household, this phenomenal children’s nursery rhyme album. And it had the most rockin’ cover of “I’ve Been Working on the Railroad.” I… we have not played this in years, (my kids are 9 and 14).

And I play this, and my kids, who’ve heard it 1,000 times, were like “What song is this?” But my husband, who typically would be like, “Why are we listening to this?” We both just belted the whole song because it’s an anchor for us of this really sweet time when our children were young. And, and it was just exactly the comfort I wanted today. It was great.

Lynn Lyons  9:13 

That’s exactly how this thing works. And I think that where sometimes when we talk about regression, it does tend to have sort of a negative spin to it, right? So, nobody gets an award for the best regression during kindergarten. It’s not something that we look at positively, but we don’t have to look at it negatively.

When Child Regression Is Serious

Now, that said, there are some situations in which kids go through very traumatic circumstances, and there is a very significant regression. I’m not talking about that today. I’m talking about the normal movement back and forth that kids experience, particularly as we’re going through this now.

So, if your child were to have a very significant issue, then you’d want to talk to somebody about that. But the things that I’m talking about today are sort of going back a few developmental phases and looking for that comfort that they found in other places.

A Listener Question: Regression With Hitting and Talking Back

So, we had asked for some listener questions on our Facebook group, if there were any parents that were wondering or feeling concerned about regression. And we did get several great questions. And I just want to highlight this one because I think it’s really representative of what kids are dealing with, you can you can join in, too, for future episodes just by finding the link on our homepage or going on the Facebook page. So, here’s the question that was asked.

“My son is displaying so much talking back and hitting during this time, the hitting is something that hasn’t been seen since he was a toddler. He’s almost seven. How do we tackle this?”

So, this is exactly what we’re talking about. And unfortunately, some regressive behaviors are really sweet and cute, like wanting to play Legos. But other regressive behaviors are not so sweet and cute. And certainly, hitting and talking back is not something that we want to completely ignore.

And we have talked about this in previous episodes, that this is not the time to say, well, because this is going on, we’re going to completely give a pass to all of the other structures of the rules that we have in our house. So, you don’t want to ignore this. But I think one of the ways that you want to talk about that is to sit down with your son, and I would be very open with him about it.

I would say to him, “You know, sometimes when families are going through stressful times, or kids are going through a lot of change, you do sort of fall back on some behaviors and some of them are fine to fall back on, and some of them are really not fine to fall back on. Hitting and talking back is not allowed in our family. And though even though we’re going through this tough time, I really need to let you know that we are not going to tolerate that.”

 So, one of the things you want to pay attention with him and tell him that and maybe he’ll talk about it, and maybe he’ll deny it, and maybe he’ll get defensive. And maybe he’ll say, you know, “Mommy, you’re stupid,” and talk back to you, and just the way you’re telling him not to, yet that’s where you have to be vanilla ice cream.

Remember, we’re all about vanilla ice cream. And you want to recognize that he is going to be moving through it.

Think of it in three boxes, right? So there’s one box where when kids are going through a lot of stress and change, that they really sort of shut down, and we call that Hypo arousal. So, these kids shut down, and we’ve talked about kids being isolated and not wanting to communicate. And then we have this middle place where they’re sort of available and they’re feeling like you got a little homeostasis going on. And then there’s this third box where they’re really in hyperarousal. So there, that’s when kids are going to be acting out. They might be more aggressive; they might be, like you saying, hitting or talking back. And it seems as if they’ve just been juiced on something that is not all that appealing to you as a parent.

You want to talk to them about being in that middle place, which if we’re talking about this in terms of when we’re talking about trauma treatment, actually, Dan Siegel coined this term called the “window of tolerance”. And that means that window where you’re able to tolerate more, because your nervous system isn’t overwhelmed. If we’re taking it out of the realm of trauma. We’re just talking about this chronic sort of stressful change that we’re going through.

Be aware of these three places that your child might be, and talk to him about these three places.  

As you can tell, I am so big on just telling kids what they need to know about themselves.  

Just give them the information, and talk to him about how he can be in that middle place. Because if he is hitting and talking back, he’s in that place. He’s hyper aroused, and he’s feeling all this aggression and all this energy. Talk to him about how he finds that. And see if you can come up with some ways and some solutions together, so that he begins to have an understanding of what’s going on inside him.

Remember, we’ve talked about emotional literacy (episode 3), and being able to give kids the skills, even at the age of almost seven, to be able to put words to his feelings, and to put feelings in a context that he can talk to you about, is doing him an enormous service. So, talk to him about it, and talk about that middle place.

Robin Hutson  14:41 

Just to clarify… one of the things I thought I understood where you were headed, because when my children were younger, and actually this would still apply. If things are heated, I always recognized now isn’t the time and place to talk about it. Sometimes they’re too worked up to talk about it. Right?

I would then say, you know, tomorrow when things are calmer, we’re going to bring up this conversation or this moment again. But what I just wanted to clarify, were you saying that you think that you can give a child the ability, and the skill, and the insight when they’re in the third stage of being kind of frenetic? You’re trying to talk them down into that middle ground? Or are you saying, wait till they’re in the middle ground to talk about that?

Lynn Lyons  15:29 

That is a very, very good question. So, kind of both, but I use the term frontloading a lot, which means that the learning has to happen when they’re in that place where they’re capable of absorbing things and learning.

So, the first time you talk to him about it, you’re exactly right. When he is in that state of being angry and lashing out and that kind of stuff, no teaching is going to happen, right? We’ve got to have the first conversations with him when he’s in that nice, middle place. And then we talk when he’s in that nice middle place. So, he has some language, and you guys have come up with some vocabulary for it. And then when he gets into that other hyper place, then you can reference that middle place.

So, it’s sort of both, we’re always trying to pull him back into that middle place. But we don’t start with the teaching when he’s already wound up. That’s not the place. So that would be the time when you would say, you know what, this isn’t the time to talk about this. But later, when you’re feeling better, and when I’m feeling better, we’ll have a conversation about this. So, it’s really both of those things that that you were just describing.

Robin Hutson  16:36 

Okay.

Lynn Lyons  16:37 

Yeah. Because we’ve talked about emotional reactivity, right? And I’ve said when a kid is freaking out, that’s not the time to add punishment. So, the kid is freaking out. You’re like, “Now you’ve lost your phone for three days.” Right? And the kids at that moment, kids don’t say like, “Oh, okay, you know what, that’s so helpful, Mom. I’m calming down now.” Right? off they go. Yep. So, you’re exactly right about that.

And then the other thing to remember about what we’re talking about regression and why it’s happening now, and why actually it’s going to feel a little harder for you to get your kids out of that regressed state is because kids, when they’re learning something new, when they’re stepping into new situations, when we are requiring them to be adaptable, that takes a lot of energy.

Regression oftentimes is just that they’re out of gas, that they’re just they’re just falling back into that comfort place. They’re falling back on things that they know.

Child Regression and Regressive Behavior

Everyone feels out of gas these days

And so, as we’re going through all this, remember, we are creating new neural pathways. If you talk to any teachers right now who over the last few weeks have figured out how to do online learning and are still trying to figure it out.  They’re feeling like they’ve never taught before.

I am feeling as I’m doing all of my sessions with my clients on a screen, which I’m grateful for. I am exhausted by that because I am doing it in a way that I’m not used to. So, the regression has a lot to do with learning new things and stepping into new things, and then needing to kind of recover. So, falling back into those old patterns just because it feels easier.

And I think that’s something to really think about in our lives, as we’re going through this in the lives of our kids is let’s make sure it’s almost like we’re making some room for a little planned regression, because it’s a little planned regrouping. It’s a little comfort food.

It’s a little comfort time, because this is really exhausting in a way that is just hard for us to even understand. Because a lot of times we’re not doing all that much, and yet it feels tiring. So just be aware of that. This is that regression that is a big sign that your child is just a little tired out.

Robin Hutson  19:07 

I just want to speak up and validate for the parents as you were saying that. I mean, I’m in a great, chipper mood because I’m having fun talking to you right now, and this is my retreat. But we’re… so many of us are so overstretched right now working full-time from home, juggling the family, cooking three meals a day now, trying to manage a home, and we’re all so stressed.

I just appreciate and validate that when a child shows up with regressive behavior, a parent’s going to initially internalize this as “one more thing I have to deal with when I feel so overwhelmed and over taxed right now.”

So, I just want to say it must be, you know, it must be very hard to respond to that when we all feel like our resources are really spent right now.

Lynn Lyons  20:04  

Right. And that’s such a good point. Because say, just to use an example, say that you felt like you had your child potty trained, or say that you had finally gotten them to stop sucking their thumb (which they generally stop on their own). But just, let’s say, or whatever behavior we’re talking about.

Something that you were able to do or say that you noticed in the last year, you were saying to yourself, “Oh, I’m so glad. Gosh, I remember when my little four-year-old would have a temper tantrum when I put the green beans on his plate, and he’s so much more flexible now.” And then two nights ago, you put the green beans on his plate, and he freaked out again. That is, you’re so quick to say, “Oh my god!” Right? Oh, “What are we doing wrong?” or “I can’t believe we’re going backwards,” or “This is the last thing that I need.”

So, I think it is so important to validate that. I am not surprised if your kid is freaking out because you put the green beans on the plate. Because if you think about your own ability to manage right now. Whatever it is, that feels uncomfortable for you too. I want to have a temper tantrum, I want to cry, I want to curl up and not do things some days.

So yeah, it’s so important to just recognize that this is a normal reaction.

It is okay for you not to be the perfect parent, and it is okay for your kids to slide back a little bit. They’ll catch up. That’s the way this thing works. And that’s how development works normally.

Robin Hutson  21:27 

Even outside of pandemic conditions, I would have moments, especially with raising children under the age of six, it feels like the myth of Sisyphus. And so, even now, just like how heightened things are, because just when you think you have things under a sense of control, or order, or progress, you know, children would wreck that plan, wreck the house, wreck whatever.

So, we’re sharing support for all of the moms who are facing this type of regression right now.

Lynn Lyons  22:00 

Right. Because it’s just normal under normal circumstances. And it’s really normal under abnormal circumstances.

Listener Question: Stuttering and Child Regression in Speaking

Also, there was just another question. I think that is relevant to what we’re talking about now, Robin.  The woman who had the question about her three-year-old, who has a stutter, and wanting to know whether or not this is something that could be connected to stress and anxiety.

And this mom describes her little three-year-old guy as having an impressively full vocabulary and would talk nonstop, but is having some pretty severe stuttering, getting hung up on basic words, to the point where he isn’t even trying to talk too much.

So, let me just say this. At this age, developing a bit of a stutter is a normal thing. Particularly if you have little kids that started speaking early and impressively— if you had little chatterboxes. And Robin will attest to this, our family is full of chatterboxes that started talking early. And most of the kids in our family went through this in some way.

Because what happens is that as they’re little in their learning, they can talk about a lot of things and talk about things that are very concrete and that they’re learning. And they’re describing, and they’re remembering.

But what happens when they start dealing with things that are a little bit more emotionally complex is that their brain doesn’t have the ability to connect the big feelings that they want to express with the language that they have as a two or three-year-old. So, they get a little stuck.

 So, they’re sort of in their brain kind of thinking about what they’re going to say and trying to put words to what they were going to say, in a way that generally happens around three or four. Sometimes a little bit later, so I wouldn’t be too concerned about this. And the reason also I wouldn’t be too concerned about this is because this is a stressful time.

He is having big feelings that he doesn’t know how to put into words as a little three-year-old.

He’s experienced some loss. He’s not being able to see his grandma right now, all of these quarantine stressors that we’re undergoing, so I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

The way that I would address it right now is I would say absolutely nothing about it. I wouldn’t bring it to his attention. I wouldn’t show any concern on your face. I wouldn’t have conversations with him about it. I would truly pretend that it’s not happening and see what happens over time. Hopefully all of this stuff resolves, and he gets his normal little life back as his little emotional brain catches up with his speaking brain.

If it gets worse over time, and you want to talk to somebody a speech and language person about it, I’m sure that they would be able to give you some great, great information about it. But the main thing I know, that we have to pay attention to with stutters is that we don’t pay attention to them.

One of the things that happens with a lot of these things is that they become self-conscious about it; they start to feel worried about it. Then they’re paying attention to it, and that only exacerbates the problem.

I think it’s gonna be okay, based on working with a lot of little kids who do this, particularly verbal ones, let it ride, and see if it resolves itself. And then if it doesn’t, or if it gets worse, and you can talk to somebody, but I don’t think you’re at that stage yet.

Social Isolation Teens Regression

Regressive Behavior in Teens and Tweens

We’ve been talking, Robin, a lot about littler kids and regression and things like sucking on pacifiers, and that kind of stuff, but regression also appears in tweeners and in teens, too.

And, in fact, tweener time can be a pretty significant place where regression can show up. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that just the very nature that you’re a tweener. So, you’re sort of in middle school bumping up against 10, 11-year- olds, 12 is that you are actually in the process developmentally, of wanting still to be a kid, but becoming more aware of adult things and valuing adult things.

So, it’s interesting when I’m talking to middle schoolers, and I talk to them about externalizing the worry and pulling it out and giving it a name. “So, pull your pull your worry out and call it, you know, Francis,” whatever. Little kids love it. High schoolers will do it like that. Adults will do it like that.

Middle schoolers, tweeners, are the ones that give me the most pushback about it because they are very conscious of being treated like a baby. So, they want to be adult. They want to step into things. This is when they’re trying on new clothes, they’re listening to different music. They’re even changing their relationships and their friendships. It’s all this time of experimentation with who they are. And so, they’re quick to fall back again.

Remember I said when you’re sort of tired out and when you’re tired of learning new things? So they fall back.

Teens and tweens are at this point in an in-between place in their development, and the quarantine is not making it any easier, because they are supposed to be doing all this learning and all this exploring and all this finding out who they are in the context of their social lives. And we have taken that. Well, we didn’t take it away, but the virus has taken that away for a while.

What we want to do to help with that is it really is okay to acknowledge that for them (and to normalize that for them). They are not really going to want to have a big discussion about it. They’re not going to want to sit down and have you talk to them about the fact that you’ve noticed some regressing back into the things they used to do or that you’ve noticed that they’re acting a little childish. But recognize that it’s normal for them to be doing that.

Regressive Behavior in Tweens and Teens

Joke, Don’t Tease…Ever

You can, you can joke with them a little bit about it. There’s a big difference between joking and teasing. Teasing is shaming, right? So, if a… if you’ve got a 12-year-old or a 10-year-old, who seems to be more emotional right now, who maybe is going back and playing games or having temper tantrums or whatever, you don’t want to tease them about that.

So, you don’t want to say “Oh, you’re being such a baby. Why do you have to be such a baby?” Or “I thought you grew out of that. And why are you acting like this again? What are you in seventh grade or second grade?” That’s teasing, and that shaming.

You can joke a little bit. And by joking, it might sound like, “Oh, you know what this is, this is hard for all of us. If I were you, I’d want to be back in second grade, too.” Or you might say, “I can see definitely that you are feeling more emotional and who wouldn’t right now?” So being able to just acknowledge it in a in a validating way.

Again, you don’t have to permit behavior that you wouldn’t permit at other times in your family. But recognize that teens and tweens right now are emotionally spent. They’re really worn out just as we are. They’re really missing out. They’re having a lot of big feelings.

So that regression, isolation, grumpiness, crankiness, and even going back and wanting to listen to you know, like you were saying, Robin, listening to music from their childhood or whatever that may be. That’s going to be a normal thing. Acknowledge it. Validate it. Don’t shame about it.

I don’t think it’s going to last forever. I know it’s not going to last forever, because this isn’t going to last forever. But it’s just a tough time. So, we’re all going to take a few steps back during this. It’s not permanent. We’re going to be okay.

Robin Hutson  30:21 

This week, even though I’m chipper, I’m like, it is gonna last forever. I don’t want to be so pessimistic.

Lynn Lyons  30:30 

Well, that’s because if it lasts into this summer that feels like forever for us.

Robin Hutson  30:34 

I know.

Lynn Lyons  30:35 

That feels like forever. I mean, I just feel like, “Oh my God, please, please don’t take away my summer.” That’s how I feel.

Conclusion: Expect Regressive Behavior Now

So, here’s the takeaway from this. Regression is a normal part of development. In the best of circumstances, our kids take a few steps or sometimes even huge leaps forward and then they fall backwards a bit, and we do the same thing. So, it’s normal. It’s okay; expect it to show up.

Talk to your kids about it. Help them get to that middle place where they’re feeling like they’ve got at least two feet under them. And know that as we go through this, that you’re going to have to manage your own behaviors and your own emotions as you’re  handling your children’s. And that’s tricky.

I didn’t talk much about sleep in terms of regression, even though it shows up in sleep, because that is going to be a whole episode coming up. There’s a lot to talk about in terms of sleep in all age groups.

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It’s not about perfection. It’s about connection. And that, yes, it will end. Parenting won’t, thank goodness. But the quarantine will.

Robin Hutson  32:10 

Yeah, pandemic parenting better end at some point.

Lynn Lyons  32:13

Yes, it will for sure. And we’ll get back to the parts of parenting that don’t feel so separate and don’t feel so isolating.

So, Robin, it’s nice to see you virtually. It’s the only way we’ve seen each other in a long time.

Robin Hutson  32:27 

Yes. Nice to see you too.

Lynn Lyons  32:28 

We’ll be back again.

Robin Hutson  32:29 

Bye!

Lynn Lyons  32:30 

Bye! Thanks for listening, everybody.

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